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Nelson's QXCI

topic posted Thu, July 15, 2004 - 11:36 AM by  Shyne
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Has anybody heard of the QXCI System developed by William Nelson? I was thinking about buying the device but it's not actually cheap. Are there alternatives and why is the software not open source? Or are there any open source projects to develop some similar software?
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Shyne
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    Re: Nelson's QXCI

    Thu, July 15, 2004 - 12:14 PM
    I heard of it via another site a while back. I'm highly skeptical of this particular device, as well as most similar tools like the F-Scan 2 and Syncrometer. Here's the problem I have with them, in a nutshell. How did they determine the frequencies of the problems? How do they know that X frequency means you have a parasite? Did they actually test that with any kind of scientific methodology? Was that methodology replicated by other scientists? How do they know so many thousands of frequencies, and why does the scientific literature on the topic that can be found on the net have so far fewer frequencies than the frequency lists themselves?

    I have a great deal of respect for people like Dr. Royal Rife and James Bare, who have conducted extensive research using scientific methods. I don't have so much respect for someone like William Nelson, who has published nothing, makes outlandish sounding claims about his device, and charges a fee clearly MUCH higher than the costs associated with producing such a device.

    How can a simple tool hooked to my head tell me that I had salmonella as a child? I don't buy it, yet this is a claim on Nelson's site.

    In short, while I'd like to believe his gizmo works, I doubt it does. I say try this: have your blood analyzed by a professional laboratory when you are ill, and then go to a QXCI practitioner and see if they make the same diagnosis. Simple, right? The doctor looks at your blood under a microscope and says "you have a flu virus." Then you go to the QXCI practitioner, and he says, "you had salmonella as a child." Whose story are you going to buy?

    Another way to test would be to expose samples to the device and then examine them under a darkfield microscope. You could see if the machine makes proper diagnoses for numerous problems, and see if it cures them. With a darkfield, you can even watch as the device is being used, cause darkfield scopes let you see living tissues.

    I'd love to think the QXCI really works, but everything about the site leads me to believe it's quackery.

    I'd stick with something with more of a track record, like a Rife/Bare system. Personally, I think the research behind the Rife/Bare systems has been fairly meticulous, though incomplete. Other systems like the Clark system or this QXCI seem to be backed up only by wild claims and no actual evidence. Whenever I see that, I always think, "hmmmm, why is there no evidence offered?"
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      Re: Nelson's QXCI

      Thu, July 15, 2004 - 12:17 PM
      I'll add this: always test devices before you decide to buy them. Don't just order some gizmo cause you read about it and it sounded cool. If you use it and it works, great. If you don't use it first, and pay $13,000 to own it, how sorry will you be when it does nothing?
      • Re: Nelson's QXCI

        Thu, July 15, 2004 - 12:45 PM
        Well I have actually been testing the device with some guys here in Switzerland who use it. It does have some effects, at least concerning my subjective experience. But I have - like you - been wondering, where the theory behind it comes from, and why there is no literature on it and, yes, why they try to keep some esoteric aura around it, if it is said to be working and can be scientifically proven. Why not have it open source and give people a chance to do some research - and if it really works - silence the critics.
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          Re: Nelson's QXCI

          Thu, July 15, 2004 - 1:21 PM
          I agree.

          One thing to consider, however, is the "heretical" nature of such devices. Even if it were readily available, inexpensive, and open source, there probably wouldn't be more than a handful of researchers toying with it. Why? Because people who have messed with such technologies in the past have been drummed out of the medical community by their fellow doctors. It's unfortunate, but true. Some countries, like Canada, have been more open to investigation. Most countries, however, have burned such investigators at the proverbial stake.

          Wouldn't it be nice if this stuff was actually the focus of worldwide research? Imagine the discoveries that would be made in less than a decade if there was focused effort in developing these kinds of technologies. It would change the world overnight. No more pills or operations. Just hook yourself to a machine for a few minutes a day and BOOM - cancer gone. No side effects. No chemotherapy.

          I firmly believe the "cure for all diseases" as claimed by Hulda Clark is available using resonance technologies. I just wish someone would put some serious funding and research behind it. Maybe all of us on the internet who have an interest should start trying to raise funds for a massive effort? I don't know....

          Anyhow, I still think the price seems over the top for this device, unless of course, it really works and does so most of the time. Then it's pretty damned cool.
    • Re: Nelson's QXCI

      Mon, January 3, 2005 - 8:42 PM
      "Other systems like the Clark system or this QXCI seem to be backed up only by wild claims and no actual evidence."

      I have used the Clark (electronic) system on over 100 people and have a 95% success rate.The methodology is fully outlined in her book.
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        Re: Nelson's QXCI

        Tue, January 4, 2005 - 1:24 AM
        While I'm glad to hear that...I'm still skeptical.

        What I mean by "no actual evidence" is no scientifically verifiable study that meets the rigor of the scientific method. Other devices are backed up by extensive research....

        While both Clark and QXCI devices, I think, probably do work...I'd just like to see more evidence. I wish there were more scientific literature around all these devices. It absolutely blows my mind how *little* legitimate scientific experimentation is being done into bioelectrical healing devices and other quantum or energy healing devices. It's sad, really. The scientific community seems to have a totally closed mind when it comes to such things.

        One would think that now that they've proven a link between certain electromagnetic fields and the growth of several types of cancer...that they'd be more open to the possibility of just the opposite...EM fields that reduce tumors.... But no. Somehow, such research gets only the "pooh pooh" from the medical/scientific community. Sad. Backward. The AMA has become as dogmatic in their approach as the Catholic Church was to Gallileo....

        And yes, I'm aware of Clark's books. I've thumbed through them, and unfortunately, there's no scientific rigor there that I could find...just scads of anecdotal evidence. I wish there were more, but unfortunately *most* of the people in this field perform very shoddy research, and rely primarily on anecdotes as opposed to double-blind research methodologies.
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      Hello, I have A QXCI also & I guess Nelsons motives maybe, were so he could fund his gay life style & open up his GAY bar called the Bohemian ALibi IN Hungary. I just couldn't bring myself to scam people with the QXCI. I guess the lady at the local health food store is seeing all the dollar sighns. I think the QXCI can be useful in allot of ways, but you can tell straight up the thing is set up to make money & people shouldn't be playing with these poor hopeless people. I'm just voicing my opioin & I guess most people that are using them are trying to recover the money they lost from paying $14,000 to $18,000. I wish someone could convince me this thing worked. If you have a QXCI & think the things really work please email me & let me know or if you have a scam story. I don't even think it's worth even taking the classes for & getting scamed fore more money. Just looking at the websight where Bill Nelson is dressed as a transexual & pretty much on porn sights & it just realy gave me a wake up call. I'm not even judging him for that, that is his own free will & I'm not judging, but there are to many loop wholes in the whole QXCI thing. You know, but then again I'm like everyone else I wished it worked. It does certain things & sometimes hit's things on the nail, but I've had people with cancer hooked up to it & cancer was on the low low. I't does seam at times to be a random number generator also at other times do some strange stuff. I only paid under $4,000 for mine. I do know that Radionics does work to some degree, but the QXCI isn't that great of a Radionics machine. Everything on the program is so outdated & he should atleast update the graphics on the newest machines.
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    • Re: Nelson's QXCI

      Sat, April 11, 2009 - 7:46 AM
      Let me tell you, it DOESN'T work and it's also banned by the FDA in the United States and the man who invented it is wanted for several counts of fraud on this machine. If you have to pay $13,000 to nearly $21,000 for an expensive machine that does nothing medically, then prepare for an expensive dupe. I know someone who owns one personally and they are now being investigated by the FBI & the FDA.
      • Re: Nelson's QXCI

        Sat, April 11, 2009 - 12:29 PM
        so, we should trust the fbi and fda?
        no time for jokes
        do some real current research: hulda clark, beck...
        many on other tribes can maybe even surpass
        they have built their 'own' machines....
        but that claim i cannot nor will not verify
  • Re: Nelson's QXCI

    Thu, July 15, 2004 - 2:25 PM
    Ya, Ive heard of this device from my roomate/friend. She has seen it in action. She thought it was very amazing. One thing that stood to me, was how dose this program/computer recieve updates/downloads from the its creator when it is not hooked up to the internet or anything?!
    I have not seen yet. Or done much research about it. It sounds very intresting to say the least.

    We may have an oppertunity with one of the practitoners of this device may stay with us for a little while. I would like to see it in action my self. See what its all about.

    When it happens Ill let ya all know for sure.

    Im gonna do more research on it now.
  • Re: Nelson's QXCI

    Wed, November 10, 2004 - 11:02 AM
    I was treated with the QXCI machine and got truely amazing results. The healer was able to tell me things that happened in my past without having any prior knowledge of my life. I have Psoriatic Arthritis and was at my wits end with swelling and pain when I started using the QXCI. For a couple of days after the treatment I always felt very good. I contemplated buying a machine myself because the treatments were so expensive. I did loose a little faith though when my healer told me she could treat me in subspace when I told her I was moving out of town. Supposedly once the computer knows your frequency it can find you anywhere when asked to. Since I have moved I have not found a new healer. I will tell you this though, my western doctors were astounded by my health turnaround while I was using it. I was even asked to speak at some medical seminars to talk about alternatives to treating my condition.

    If you want to know more I can tell more. I used the QXCI for about three months almost every week. And I can say during that time I really made progress in feeling better. I suggest anyone who is interested should check this out for themselves. You have to have an open mind though because it is way out there.
  • Re: Nelson's QXCI

    Wed, May 11, 2005 - 5:26 PM
    A good friend of mine who is a retired Chiropractor has one. A good friend (who was also a chiropractor) sold him on buying the machine. My friend is sold on it. He has found it works on the more serious conditions. He has some amazing stories- like the friend who brought over his dog who had cancer- dog wasn't eating, looked like it was on the verge of death, and the friend brought it over for a treatment. My friend treated the dog once, and the next day the dog's owner called and said the dog was getting better. And somehow the dog was cured. Now, how would a dog know what you were doing to him? My wife thinks my friend's machine is voodoo- he's run it on me, but since I have nothing really wrong with me, I (of course) felt nothing.

    It appears the software is very glitchy. Apparently Nelson- although very bright- was not much of a software guy. My friend often gets frustrated by the glitchyness of it all- and apparently it was not written for the windows environment- so it has an old feel to it.

    The friend who recommended it to my friend, bought the program as his "medical insurance" - apparently he used to be a semi-pro athelete who had bad knees- and as a chiropractor he tried just about everything other than surgery. Apparently the QXCI fixed his bad knees. So for him, the $16,000 price tag was a lot better than the surgery.

    Personally, I just don't understand how it works- but it appears to. We tried it on our cat who has cancer, but it didn't seem to work in this situation. Who knows?
    • Re: Nelson's QXCI

      Wed, May 25, 2005 - 11:11 PM
      I personally have only had experience with the range of VEGA products which work on very similar or the same method.
      A friend and I successfully treatred a methadone addict, with no symptons of withdrawal. I think that is amazing. The machine some how could read what was in the container and made his body not need it. We also treated his kidneys and a number of other organs improving his Hep C and his general heath.

      I also know of another case where a set of machines was bought to treat a young girl because doctors couldn't tell any more that it was some kind of Meningitis but could treat the girl nearly died but through sucsessive treatment her health returned to normal. This was not a short process though.

      Unconditional Love and Light

      Dave
      • Re: Nelson's QXCI

        Tue, June 14, 2005 - 8:39 PM
        I haven't had any personal experience with the QXCI, but I am not impressed with the literature I have seen. Both the VEGA and BICOM systems have extensive research done with them -- unfortunately done in Europe and often published in German. You can look at the BICOM at www.regumed.de . BICOM is the best of the bioresonance machines.

        The times are changing. There are now a number of medical doctors doing research on pulsed electromagnet fields. Interesting that they are inventing their own devices rather than experiementing with existing systems. Oh, well. One promising device now being tested is designed to stop migraines as they start, an initial study looked very good. Several more are being tested for depression, anxiety and other related mental health issues. The PAP-IMI, also a pulse electromagnet field device is used for pain, inflammation and works very well with injuries and fractures as well as other inflammatory conditions such as arthritis (as well as most other chronic diseases, but these are not a part of the clinical trial). This device is in stage three trials.Interestingly, none of the new devices have a diagnostic function and are treatment only.

        With the QXCI, BICOM and VEGA devices. the treatment portions of these devices are pulsed electromagnetic fields (PEMF) of various types and ranges. The diagnostic portions of the BICOM and VEGA devices are based on two principles, bioresonance and energy flow in the meridans (think acupuncture meridans).

        Hope this helps. Josi

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